The Avis scam

indexDSC_0012This post was originally to let off steam about an obvious attempt to palm me off an obviously damaged car and later ping me for the repair bill.

It’s since developed into a running commentary on what appears to be a systemic attempt to defraud customers.

If anyone wants to start a class action against Avis, count me in.

Don’t get the impression that every rental from Avis is an unpleasant experience – that’s not the case – but blatant overcharging and obvious attempts to conceal existing damage appear to be a core part of their business model.

Oh, and don’t expect any response from their customer service.

Google “Avis scam“.  This post is the 6th 3rd most popular on the interwebs

Update: 10 July 2014

I rent with Avis as infrequently as possible (except in the USA) and Heathrow is the best example why.

The shuttle driver doesn’t ask if I’m a Preferred member, so I wait in line for 10 minutes until the agent tells me to go to the Preferred booth somewhere in the carpark.

Ask for an Excess Reduction.

“Which on?e”

“What have you got?”

“Well, standard is £1000 excess”

“How do I reduce it to zero”

“With our Excess Reduction”

“Do you have more than one?”

“No”

Monty Python couldn’t do it better

Find the car and there’s a Damage Report, saying that there’s some damage to the rear of the car.

I can’t see anything, so back to the booth and ask the agent to point out the damage.

“Is this a quiz?” she asks

I suggest that this isn’t getting us anywhere, to which she responds that she “doesn’t like my attitude”

Right

Damage assessor comes and says ” There’s no damage here”, then is overruled by someone who says “Yes, there is, see this scuff mark on the boot lip where someone’s let a suitcase drag over the plastic protector? That’s damaged”

We spend the next 10 minutes logging EVERY SINGLE CHIP/SCUFF MARK/DENT on the entire car.

Just how anal can you get….?

Update: 2 October 2013

This is how it’s meant to work:

You arrive at Boston-Logan airport, pick up the shuttle bus to the car rental centre. Walk into what looks like an airport passenger terminal, with check-in desks for each rental company. Go straight to the parking garage – spacious and brightly lit – and ask Avis’s Preferred desk to add Ms. YMBFA to the contract as a driver.

Can’t do that – spouses are automatically included. No charge.

No extra charge either for full insurance with no excess.

Oh, and did I mention that they upgraded to something with a bonnet hood that approximates the size of an aircraft carrier?

For $24 a day…

Update: 18 September 2013

Dear Ms xx,
thanks for the upgrade to an MB180 at Manchester on Thursday (I assume it was your doing). Unfortunately, I couldn’t take you up on it – I dislike stale cigarette smoke intensely and the vehicle stank (as did the previous one at Manchester). However, your people retrieved quite quickly – 10 minutes or so – with the vehicle group that I’d booked. They followed the “close positively and disclose fully” guidelines, although couldn’t explain a discrepancy between my reservation and the rental agreement. Back from the Preferred cabin to the main desk, a mere 15 minute wait until it was explained.
The usual correction of the damage report – 2 scratches significantly larger than the ones originally noted.
On returning, your check-in agent claimed that the petrol tank wasn’t full and that there would be a charge for refuelling. I convinced him (showed him the fuel gauge, mileage, fuel bill from the airport petrol station) that this was not the case and he admitted that “some of these cars don’t show full when they are”
All in all, an average Avis UK rental

Update: 21 August 2013

Success at last! A grovelling apology, a repayment of what they’d overcharged me and – for my inconvenience – the generous refund of a further £6.96.
Oh, and a promise that it won’t happen again

Update: 7 August 2013

Avis UK’s Executive Offices are in on the act. I got hold of their CEO’s email address, she responded within hours and they’re investigating.

Haven’t yet thought to correct the billing, but I’m sure they’ll get around to that at some stage.

Update: 5 August 2013

Birmingham, UK

Confirmed reservation, 2 days £69.

I ask the agent at the desk in Terminal 1 to reduce the excess from £800 to £0 (their system won’t let me do it online)

Pick up the car at the parking lot, get a folded contract (as  a Preferred member, they have your signature on file), check the car against the Vehicle Condition Report – they say there’s an aerial, car has no aerial.Agent changes it.
If I hadn’t checked, they would have charged me £70.

Return the car, Avis booth closed (Saturday 16:00). Agent in the terminal refuses to issue a final bill, because he can’t check the car in.

Look at the contract.

They’ve charged me £80 on top of the original reservation quote for fuel pre-purchase (never requested) and various items that are specifically included in the original quote.

Oh, and a £5 charge for asking Avis to do something that their system won’t let me do – give them money to reduce the excess.

Call the Birmingham office to clarify the issues – wait for 26 minutes in a queue to be told that the station is busy and isn’t accepting calls.

And of course they don’t respond to emails….

Update:15 November 2011

It gets better. Or worse.

It was dark, I was backing out in an unfamiliar parking lot and the motel owner in Auckland, New Zealand had decided in his infinite wisdom to paint the pillars black.

My fault.

Horrible grinding noise, swiped the side of the car along one of the pillars, took off the wing mirror.

Returned the car  to Avis and the agent pointed out that there’s a $2750 (plus tax) excess.

I was fairly sure that I was covered, but I paid the $3000+ bill and checked it out on the flight to LA.

Sure enough, the confirmation email from Avis had a whole list of things that I’d either accepted or declined and one (Excess Reduction) that was neither nor.

I asked the Avis people in LAX what the excess on the rental that I picked up was – “There is none. It’s automatically included, because your profile says so”

So I simulated the booking on their website and IT DOESN’T ALLOW YOU TO MODIFY THE PREFERENCES IN YOUR PROFILE. (I’m an Avis Preferred customer)

It just generates an email, showing that I haven’t declined Excess Reduction (I couldn’t decline it) so it’s reasonable to assume that it’s included.

Challenged the excess with Avis New Zealand.

Prompt response: You declined the Excess Reduction (ER)

I didn’t.

“Your profile says that you always want to decline ER”

It doesn’t.

It can’t because there’s no option to do so and only 3 countries have draconian excesses – UK, Australia, New Zealand.

A couple of weeks after the incident (and having talked to Avis in Germany to confirm the profile status), I underpin my claim with screenshots of the entire process and the Call Centre agent passes the file to the insurance department who IMMEDIATELY see that their system is dysfunctional and refund me the excess.

They also send me copies of the repair bills which total $1700. They’ve had them for 3 weeks and they hadn’t even considered refunding the difference between the excess and the actual repair costs.

By this stage, I’ve escalated the case to Avis’s MD for New Zealand.

She delegates it to an assistant and – in mangled English – I get this response:

  • There’s nothing wrong with their system
  • The Call Centre agent didn’t blatantly lie to me on 2 or more occasions
  • They’ve refunded the excess (but they blithely ignore the fact that they would have overcharged me by $1300)

Oh, and of course there was the usual damage that I found when I collected the car, despite the usual reassurances that the car was IMMACULATE…..

Update:17 June 2011

Return a car in Auckland, NZ, have it checked in by an Avis rep, get a printout of the bill.

Credit card gets hit with a refuelling charge. Query it, Avis acknowledges that the car was full, take 2 weeks to credit me.

Next time, I’m charging THEM for my time. At my consultancy rate of €3k a day

Update: 3 November 2010

Rent a car in Los Angeles and drive fewer than 75 miles and you’ll get whacked with a Fuel Service charge of $17.06.
Even if you’ve filled up.
And they refuse to consider adjustments under $50

The original post 10 April 2007

It works like this.

You’ve booked a car, you pick up the keys and you get your car from the Avis lot at the airport.

It’s dark, it’s raining, you look quickly to make sure that everything’s OK (and far as you can see) and off you go.

Return it the next day and they’ll say “Oh, this (supermarket-parking-lot-car-door-ding) dent wasn’t there when you hired it. That’ll be £/€/$200”

Or you’re on the motorway before you notice a stone chip in the windscreen.

Call them up to report it and they’ll say “Well, it must have happened since you hired it”

Or you get whacked with a £70 charge on your credit card. Turns out that the radio antenna was missing. (You’ve picked the car up in the morning, driven to see the CEO of one of my customers, parked in their executive car park (where the security guard tore off the antenna in a fit of pique – yeah, right…) and dropped it back off in the evening. Find out later that one of their valet goons didn’t take the antenna off and put it on the passenger seat (which is what they’re meant to do) before putting it through the car wash. Don’t get your £70 back though)

But this last one was the best. By far

Marseille airport, brand new Opel Astra, perfect condition according to them.

RANT MODE ON

Half the side of the car was missing.

OK, that’s an exaggeration, but there were

SIXINDIVIDUALAREASofSIGNIFICANTandOBVIOUSDAMAGE

on the car.

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Which was 1/4 empty.

Look at the damn pictures.

RANT MODE OFF

It’s almost as if the rental locations are given targets for this sort of stuff.

It’s the same old greasy number wherever you go

  • You get to pick up a car in a dingy corner of a multistory carpark and return it to to their blindingly well-lit check-in area. (Manchester airport)
  • Fill up the car 3km from the return lot and get charged €20 for refuelling. (Lyons)
  • Get the car delivered to you double-parked in front of the terminal in the rain. You try and check it out thoroughly with an policeman with a sub-machine gun hurrying you along (Birmingham airport)
  • Agree that they’ll reimburse you for 1/4 tank of gas and they either calculate the tank smaller or use a gas price that you’ll find nowhere but Saudi Arabia. (Marignane airport)
  • Get a (supposedly fully-fuelled) car with the fuel warning lamp burning (Birmingham airport)
  • Try and get someone to check out the car when you return it with a flight to catch and you get “Can’t do it now. It’ll be at least 30 minutes” (But I can ring up a charge for damage in milliseconds). Manchester and/or Birmingham.
  • Get cars on 3 separate occasions within a month, each with windscreen chips or panel damage. Un-noted, of course. (Auckland)
  • Try and draw these shortcomings (politely put) to their attention and your comments disappear into a central cesspit on the American corporate site. You’ll never hear from them. (New Zealand)

And you know what? Boris at Marseille was the only person with the courtesy and common sense to apologise

And if someone from Avis is reading this..

I AM HIGHLY PISSED OFF

Update:

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10 Responses to The Avis scam

  1. Ben says:

    >Sorry to hear that JB. I never had that bad experience with CAR Hire. Well I never (almost) use AVIS. Stay away from that RentACar giant.

  2. >NOT TRUE – The guys in Glasgow kept charging us the wrong amount, and I emailed them over 30 pages in 6 months – I spoke to our bank and ASB quickly decided it wasn’t incompetence but more like a credit card scam, and flagged the rental car dealership and refunded us. I remember the 30 pages because after refunding us, ASB wanted my correspondence as evidence, and when I sent it to them in a foolscap envelope, the credit card folks in Auckland rang me back and congratulated me for keeping meticulous records; she said “next time, ring us sooner!” And dear husband, you forgot that?????

  3. Ben says:

    >Now I remember that. They keep charging and refund several times. Because of the exchange rate, every time they refund, we loose some amount. It wasn’t Avis but someone else with green logo.

  4. >I never said it was Avis, Ben. JB, would you excuse us a moment? We need to sort out our travel memories, the two of us!!!

  5. >hey i feel sorry for you, having a bad car and experience…. thanks for the post now aware of it…1933-1934 Pontiac Shop Manuals

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  8. Earl Berkun says:

    Avis is still at it. I rented a car at the LA airport. When I returned it there was a damaged right side window. The receiving agent and I then went over the car carefully. No additional damage. So I signed a form showing what we found.
    Then I get a bill for $86 for the window. A couple of days later another bill arrives for $900 for damage to drivers side door. So I call customer service and I’m told there is a date stamped photo showing drivers door which I vehemently deny. The customer service agent says she’ll look into it.
    A few weeks later I get 2 additional bills for both damages and a statement that they will send this to a collection agency unless I pay.
    So I call the CS agent who says nothing about what’s going on in Avis. I insist she send me the photos and documents. She does.
    Then I get a letter from the collection agency. So I send them a disputed letter, b/c they don’t have a phone number. Convenient for them.

    Now I’m being threatened by having my good credit damaged, and possibly being sued.
    So I call the CS agent’s manager. He informs me that one of the charges was dropped. When I ask why no one told me, he said his group is not allowed to contact a customer if the claim in dropped! In my mind that is pure BS.
    HE looks up the claim sent to the Collection agency and it turns out that one was dropped too.
    When I ask. Several weeks ago he says. But they did not notify me either.

    My Bottom Line:
    Avis engaged in intentional FRAUD to try and collect non-existent damages. Further when they decided to drop the whole effort, they intentionally did not contact me, which was very anxiety producing for my family. Maybe they hoped that I would still pay the false charges.

    That’s my story and I have documentation to back it up. If you know of anyone suing Avis, I would be more than glad to join the suit.
    eeberkun@yahoo.com

    • jb says:

      Never had issues in the States. Almost always in the UK and NZ. If they issue you with a receipt when you check the car in, they can’t come back later and claim damages. Simple.as.that.

  9. Gudrun says:

    My parents had booked and already paid for a (highest class) car via the internet. When they arrived jetlagged at the station in Orlando, FL the person there asked them if they wanted to upgrade their car for about 200 USD to a BMW but did not mention 200 USD/DAY. He also “forgot” to inform them about the total costs for the 25 days trip. As my parents don`t speak english very well they unfortunately accepted this “deal” and signed the papers. When they returned the car they had to pay an additional 6500,–. It is all legal, they signed it, I know. But you can be sure that we will spread the word how AVIS personnell works and how easy one can fall into this trap, especially when one is tired, jet lagged and doesn`t know the language so well. We will avoid AVIS in future at any cost.

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